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Experience with Automatic Shufflers
Posted: 08 January 2009 01:13 AM   [ Ignore ]
bodog
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I Want To Share An Experience With Automatic Shufflers.

While Playing At The Borgata, The Dealer Dealt 4 7’s In A Row. Later That Game 4 2’s Came Out. Several Deals Later 4 9’s Came Out. I Questioned The Dealer About This. She Made The Comment, ” Ohh, The Shuffler Apparently Does That Once In A Awhile.” From This Experience And A Similar One At Trump, I Came To The Assumption She May Be Correct. Does The Optical Shuffler First Organize The Deck, And Then Reshuffle?

How Else Would 4 Card Hands Appear Frequently? Is It Possible The Shuffler “malfunctions” In This Manner?

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Posted: 08 January 2009 04:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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The four 2’s and four 7’s is unlikely, but it can happen. The fact that it happened was just coincidence, I wouldn’t attribute it to anything more.

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Posted: 10 January 2009 10:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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If something like that happened to me, I’d go directly to the pit boss because that’s not right. I would be inclined to think that they are doing their decks wrong, but I would get a more definitive answer.

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Posted: 12 January 2009 01:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I also have experienced it a couple of times but I think that’s alright. You loose some you win some. If you don’t trust your dealer, just get up and find another table/casino.

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Posted: 16 January 2009 10:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Well it happens to everyone once in a while. Casinos are built for business and business means profit. So if they don’t cheat you, where do they have their huge profits from? Its all part of the game.

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Posted: 16 January 2009 05:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Well you can say that they were in order or they were really mixed well, depending on how you look at it.  If for instance one player receives 3 of the same card, and there are 3 other players getting dealt, then really the cards were four cards apart in the deck.  If there were truly 4 of the same card dealt in a row, I would agree, nothing more than a coincidence.

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Posted: 17 January 2009 07:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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That’s the most weird thing I’ve ever heard about automatic shufflers. I always thought they were the most neutral thing in a casino. Ah! One more thing will keep me away from casino from now.

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Posted: 26 February 2009 09:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Are you living in cambodia or what? I’ve never seen manual shufflers in any casino. There’s no point in discussing it!

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Posted: 14 December 2012 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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regi21 - 16 January 2009 10:55 AM

Well it happens to everyone once in a while. Casinos are built for business and business means profit. So if they don’t cheat you, where do they have their huge profits from? Its all part of the game.

It’s my experience of daily play in Vegas that professionals NEVER EVER play alone or with clients whereas ASM’s are used.  That’s why you will never see an ASM at high limits.  Anything that can read cards or uses an e-prom algorithm to shuffle cards where the players cannot see the cards is a risk.  You will never prove casinos cheat….but it doesn’t mean they don’t cheat by way thru the ASM manufacturer. 

The casino argument for using ASM on low limit games is they get more throughput…more hands per hour when they don’t have to shuffle.  Also, casinos spend their surveillance and card counting software resources on experts and professionals at high limit tables….so they reduce or ultimately eliminate shuffle tracking & shuffle cutting, etc by using ASM’s. 

It’s my experience as a Noir card holder at MGM & Platinum, Diamond, Seven Stars at other casinos, that membership status ALWAYS gets it way.  For instance at Cosmopolitan where they do have ASM at $25 tables, Platinum cards members can request manual shuffle and get it…I do it all the time and the pit bosses recognize all we want is to be able to see the cards at all times to assure a levedl playing field.  The smart player stays away from ASM and continuous shufflers.  Ask and you shall receive….manual shuffle at all times.  One variable.  There are manhy single & two deck dealers who are card mechanics.  When they shuffle, appear to play one more or one less hand before the shuffle and then wshen it’s game time add or subtract a hand.  You will be surprised how that changes the cards dealt when you find that dealers seem to always get the fill card or tie 20’s or mor eBJ’s.  As weird as it sounds it can’t hurt to take that varible away from casinos.  Also, seek player friendly dealers.  MrSmooth

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Posted: 25 September 2014 11:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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In the High Limit room at Harrahs AC they use auto shufflers.

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