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High roller, low min table ownership.
Posted: 17 September 2012 06:10 AM   [ Ignore ]
artbar
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Gave in. Waited until the end of a shoe, end of high rollers table play. 

Something I didn’t think I’d do when requested to hold off for a shoe to end. Was backcounting a would be nice table with just one player. Count for entry came, and was requested by the dealer on behalf of the high roller, betting ~$150 base unit, to refrain from playing at this table now. I didn’t ask whether till the shoe ended, or wait until he was done playing at this table completely. Assume it was until the end of the shoe only. Not to make a scene, I agreed and sat out for a while. Count was only increasing.  A bit frustrated seeing this opportunity pass, I asked for my players card back that I had handed the dealer when I first sat, said I’m not waiting and will play at another table.

Prior to this actual situation, I thought I’d have to decline player(s) request not to enter a hard earned backcounted shoe. Well it happened, and being this guy seemed to be a well known regular customer by the casino, I backed off. He seemed like he’d be that type of jacka$$ to make a fuss if someone entered his precious table/shoe. I didn’t want the attention.

The thing that bothered me, is why did he have to hog up this low min table, when there were plenty of empty tables available in the high roller area, with better rules going with the higher minimum bet he easily met?

Table was not reserved; he was not counting, and was not shuffle tracking as the table had an ASM.

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Posted: 14 December 2012 02:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
mrsmooth
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artbar - 17 September 2012 06:10 AM

Gave in. Waited until the end of a shoe, end of high rollers table play. 

Something I didn’t think I’d do when requested to hold off for a shoe to end. Was backcounting a would be nice table with just one player. Count for entry came, and was requested by the dealer on behalf of the high roller, betting ~$150 base unit, to refrain from playing at this table now. I didn’t ask whether till the shoe ended, or wait until he was done playing at this table completely. Assume it was until the end of the shoe only. Not to make a scene, I agreed and sat out for a while. Count was only increasing.  A bit frustrated seeing this opportunity pass, I asked for my players card back that I had handed the dealer when I first sat, said I’m not waiting and will play at another table.

Prior to this actual situation, I thought I’d have to decline player(s) request not to enter a hard earned backcounted shoe. Well it happened, and being this guy seemed to be a well known regular customer by the casino, I backed off. He seemed like he’d be that type of jacka$$ to make a fuss if someone entered his precious table/shoe. I didn’t want the attention.

The thing that bothered me, is why did he have to hog up this low min table, when there were plenty of empty tables available in the high roller area, with better rules going with the higher minimum bet he easily met?

Table was not reserved; he was not counting, and was not shuffle tracking as the table had an ASM.

Artbar,
In advance I will tell you that I live in Vegas and play at least 5 days per week.  I can only assume that when you say the player was not counting was because he did not vary bets when the count increased?  When you say he was not shuffle tracking…that is obviously an assumption on your part unless you watched shuffles with the ASM, correct?  As you may know backcounting is high risk and few casinos allow mid shoe entry and/or limit bets for mid shoe entry, right?  And I will also add that if you don’t have other weapons in your arsenal (betting algorithms, dealer streak strategies, etc.) hi/low card counters rarely have consistent wins…..although good counters may win more than lose.
Here is a suggestion I have for you.  If you wish to enter mid shoe and the player asks you to wait….as the count increases or if there are other advantages like tracking A’s, 8’s, & 5’s I find great success entering nid deck asking again when the player begins to lose or flat out telling the player you can assist his play….or if the dealer is pro player tell him there might be an advantage to both of you if you jump in right now.  If you jump in and win, great.  If you both win, even betterf.  If you lose you can chat during the shuffle and disclose to the player you have experience that may help both of you…just be sure to tip the dealer so they don’t ‘tip’ you.  What’s the worse case/  The guy is a D*$^k and says no again and again…or you jump in at the new shuffle. 

Again sitting down to count is less conspicuous than someone back counting.  The casinos run software to track the shoe on counts so keep in mind if your only advantage play is counting by backcounting consider having a plan ‘b’ income.  Good luck dude!  If you play in vegas PM me and we’ll go pound some felt!  MrSmooth

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