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Double Soft 14 vs 4
Posted: 23 February 2009 12:47 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Basic strategy says to double a soft 15 vs a 4, but hit a soft 14 vs a 4. With both those hands there are five cards that can get you to 17-21.

Not doubling a soft 15 you need an ace in order to be under soft 17. With a soft 14 it’s a 2 or an ace to be under soft 17.

The only advantage I see to not doubling a soft 14 is you can catch a 2 and rehit the soft hand.

The risk seems exactly the same as there are the same amount of cards available that can help you make an actual hand. Why not double this?

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Posted: 26 February 2009 10:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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You’ve done pretty good calculation there. I never think so deep and maybe that’s the reason I don’t win too often.

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Posted: 14 December 2012 05:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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rogue - 23 February 2009 12:47 PM

Basic strategy says to double a soft 15 vs a 4, but hit a soft 14 vs a 4. With both those hands there are five cards that can get you to 17-21.

Not doubling a soft 15 you need an ace in order to be under soft 17. With a soft 14 it’s a 2 or an ace to be under soft 17.

The only advantage I see to not doubling a soft 14 is you can catch a 2 and rehit the soft hand.

The risk seems exactly the same as there are the same amount of cards available that can help you make an actual hand. Why not double this?

Basic strategy makes this decision because of expected returns on composition dependant variables.  I find that my ‘modified basic strategy’ whereas you double vs hit yields better returns especially using a double reverse progressive bertting algorithm MrSmooth

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Posted: 29 July 2013 05:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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The system I developed says to double a soft 14 vs a dealer 4 when the true count is slightly positive >=+2.  Remember, doubling doesn’t always win.  Sometimes it just loses less percentage wise.

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Posted: 31 July 2013 11:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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rodomonte - 29 July 2013 05:04 PM

Remember, doubling doesn’t always win.  Sometimes it just loses less percentage wise.

Could you explain this statement?  Everything I have heard about doubling says that you do it when you are the favorite to win the hand.  Of course that does not mean you are guaranteed to win, only that you are expected to win.

Now, that said, it is only logical that the more options you have the better your chances are to win.  Specifically, limiting your options to taking a single card (vs. being able to take additional hits if desired) decreases your winning chances.  Obviously there must be some offsetting benefit to recommend the play, and that benefit is winning twice as much.  IOW your expected value is higher despite the lower probability of victory.

My point is that doubling down is an offensive play.  You are trying to win more, not lose less.

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Posted: 20 November 2013 12:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Thanx for sharing nice post.

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