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Tracking 7-9’s….  Are they really “NEUTRAL” cards that have little or no influence on coming cards?  Or is there an impact. What is the imact?  Is
Posted: 09 December 2010 11:46 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I use usually use a hi-lo count, however I keep track of how many 2-6’s 10-ace’s and 7-9’s come out of the deck.  Meaning I know how many cards have been played at all times.  I decided to keep records what happens in a positive count with a shortage of 7-9’s and an abundance of 7-9’s.  My results are that I won a lot more hands with a high count when there was a shortage of 7-9’s left in the deck getting alot more 20’s and blackjacks and lost a lot more hands when there was an abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck getting more 17-19’s than 20’s and blackjacks.  I figured that when there was a abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck in a negative count I won a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and lost a lot more starting hands of 15-17.  When there was a shortage of 7-9s left in the deck in a negative count I lost a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and won more starting hands of 15-17.  In neutral counts I seem to play 50/50. 


In conclusion it seems that 7-9’s hold the most value when I know the ratio between 2-6’s, 7-9’s, and 10-aces.  Any comments on this would be well appreciated.  I would love to hear what everyone else thinks of this.

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Posted: 15 December 2010 02:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I see you have found the holy grail of counting good for you.  Make your millions.  Play on comps.  Have fun and never tip.  Get backed off and give them the finger when you do.  Eat $400 dollars worth of food while hardly taking a bite.  Hope to see you in a high limit area one day.  To you I salute.


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Posted: 23 March 2011 06:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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crapsbjrou - 09 December 2010 11:46 PM

I use usually use a hi-lo count, however I keep track of how many 2-6’s 10-ace’s and 7-9’s come out of the deck.  Meaning I know how many cards have been played at all times.  I decided to keep records what happens in a positive count with a shortage of 7-9’s and an abundance of 7-9’s.  My results are that I won a lot more hands with a high count when there was a shortage of 7-9’s left in the deck getting alot more 20’s and blackjacks and lost a lot more hands when there was an abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck getting more 17-19’s than 20’s and blackjacks.  I figured that when there was a abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck in a negative count I won a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and lost a lot more starting hands of 15-17.  When there was a shortage of 7-9s left in the deck in a negative count I lost a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and won more starting hands of 15-17.  In neutral counts I seem to play 50/50. 


In conclusion it seems that 7-9’s hold the most value when I know the ratio between 2-6’s, 7-9’s, and 10-aces.  Any comments on this would be well appreciated.  I would love to hear what everyone else thinks of this.

I have been taught by ” THE BEST ” on how to count cards in a ” PROFESSIONAL WAY ”  where you will ( NEVER ) fall behind the dealer !

The count that was utilized is referred to the Koko Ita count ; which can be found in a $ 2.95 book ( Yea under $3.- book ), entitled ” Green Fountain Gambling Strategies ” , ISBN 0-911996-63-X, printed 1976.

The count is a simple level one point count system - 2 thru 7 are counted +1 when played, 8 is 0, 9 thru A is -1 when played.

Point count = 0 at top of deck (s) - point =0 at end of deck (s).

This is a very powerful yet simple ( level 1 ) count system that is extremely efficient and easy to use - also - in multiple deck card-up dealt games a come out counting strategy can be employed to pick up ( count ) all hands that will readily be passed over by the dealer as approx. 95% of these hands will result in a ” No Decision Situation ” by the player.

What I mean by that is that the player has a ( Pat ) hand of H17 or higher.

The other 5% Decision hands would be 8,8 ; 9,9 , A,A, and the dreaded 10,10 [ when playing at a table with ( 1 from Column A, and 1 from Column B) type players] .

I can not see why /so many BJ players opt for the HI-LO when you are disregarding way too many cards !

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Posted: 14 December 2012 03:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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$nakeEye$ - 23 March 2011 06:44 PM
crapsbjrou - 09 December 2010 11:46 PM

I use usually use a hi-lo count, however I keep track of how many 2-6’s 10-ace’s and 7-9’s come out of the deck.  Meaning I know how many cards have been played at all times.  I decided to keep records what happens in a positive count with a shortage of 7-9’s and an abundance of 7-9’s.  My results are that I won a lot more hands with a high count when there was a shortage of 7-9’s left in the deck getting alot more 20’s and blackjacks and lost a lot more hands when there was an abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck getting more 17-19’s than 20’s and blackjacks.  I figured that when there was a abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck in a negative count I won a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and lost a lot more starting hands of 15-17.  When there was a shortage of 7-9s left in the deck in a negative count I lost a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and won more starting hands of 15-17.  In neutral counts I seem to play 50/50. 


In conclusion it seems that 7-9’s hold the most value when I know the ratio between 2-6’s, 7-9’s, and 10-aces.  Any comments on this would be well appreciated.  I would love to hear what everyone else thinks of this.

I have been taught by ” THE BEST ” on how to count cards in a ” PROFESSIONAL WAY ”  where you will ( NEVER ) fall behind the dealer !

The count that was utilized is referred to the Koko Ita count ; which can be found in a $ 2.95 book ( Yea under $3.- book ), entitled ” Green Fountain Gambling Strategies ” , ISBN 0-911996-63-X, printed 1976.

The count is a simple level one point count system - 2 thru 7 are counted +1 when played, 8 is 0, 9 thru A is -1 when played.

Point count = 0 at top of deck (s) - point =0 at end of deck (s).

This is a very powerful yet simple ( level 1 ) count system that is extremely efficient and easy to use - also - in multiple deck card-up dealt games a come out counting strategy can be employed to pick up ( count ) all hands that will readily be passed over by the dealer as approx. 95% of these hands will result in a ” No Decision Situation ” by the player.

What I mean by that is that the player has a ( Pat ) hand of H17 or higher.

The other 5% Decision hands would be 8,8 ; 9,9 , A,A, and the dreaded 10,10 [ when playing at a table with ( 1 from Column A, and 1 from Column B) type players] .

I can not see why /so many BJ players opt for the HI-LO when you are disregarding way too many cards !


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VERY IMPRESSIVE SIR,  I know of very few (less than three) people who are aware of the KoKo Ita count.  that was a very impressive reference to the forum topic.  Personally I find great value in counting A’s, 8’s, & 5’s and feel any Hi/Low counting is way outdated when one can achieve the same subtacting # of hands and adding low cards.  This new way of counting is much easer and works well.  Are you here in Vegas?  PM me if you ever wish to play I am here and play every day.  MrSmooth

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Posted: 13 January 2013 05:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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mrsmooth - 14 December 2012 03:34 PM
$nakeEye$ - 23 March 2011 06:44 PM
crapsbjrou - 09 December 2010 11:46 PM

I use usually use a hi-lo count, however I keep track of how many 2-6’s 10-ace’s and 7-9’s come out of the deck.  Meaning I know how many cards have been played at all times.  I decided to keep records what happens in a positive count with a shortage of 7-9’s and an abundance of 7-9’s.  My results are that I won a lot more hands with a high count when there was a shortage of 7-9’s left in the deck getting alot more 20’s and blackjacks and lost a lot more hands when there was an abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck getting more 17-19’s than 20’s and blackjacks.  I figured that when there was a abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck in a negative count I won a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and lost a lot more starting hands of 15-17.  When there was a shortage of 7-9s left in the deck in a negative count I lost a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and won more starting hands of 15-17.  In neutral counts I seem to play 50/50. 


In conclusion it seems that 7-9’s hold the most value when I know the ratio between 2-6’s, 7-9’s, and 10-aces.  Any comments on this would be well appreciated.  I would love to hear what everyone else thinks of this.

I have been taught by ” THE BEST ” on how to count cards in a ” PROFESSIONAL WAY ”  where you will ( NEVER ) fall behind the dealer !

The count that was utilized is referred to the Koko Ita count ; which can be found in a $ 2.95 book ( Yea under $3.- book ), entitled ” Green Fountain Gambling Strategies ” , ISBN 0-911996-63-X, printed 1976.

The count is a simple level one point count system - 2 thru 7 are counted +1 when played, 8 is 0, 9 thru A is -1 when played.

Point count = 0 at top of deck (s) - point =0 at end of deck (s).

This is a very powerful yet simple ( level 1 ) count system that is extremely efficient and easy to use - also - in multiple deck card-up dealt games a come out counting strategy can be employed to pick up ( count ) all hands that will readily be passed over by the dealer as approx. 95% of these hands will result in a ” No Decision Situation ” by the player.

What I mean by that is that the player has a ( Pat ) hand of H17 or higher.

The other 5% Decision hands would be 8,8 ; 9,9 , A,A, and the dreaded 10,10 [ when playing at a table with ( 1 from Column A, and 1 from Column B) type players] .

I can not see why /so many BJ players opt for the HI-LO when you are disregarding way too many cards !


Snakeeyes-
VERY IMPRESSIVE SIR,  I know of very few (less than three) people who are aware of the KoKo Ita count.  that was a very impressive reference to the forum topic.  Personally I find great value in counting A’s, 8’s, & 5’s and feel any Hi/Low counting is way outdated when one can achieve the same subtacting # of hands and adding low cards.  This new way of counting is much easer and works well.  Are you here in Vegas?  PM me if you ever wish to play I am here and play every day.  MrSmooth

MrSmooth -

I am more than equally impressed with your responses to a multitude of posts not only in the BJ aspect of this forum but also in the Craps aspect as well -

Most of your responses - if not all - are extremely in-depth - and exhibit an in-sight well beyond the scope of many readers / participants of this and other Gaming Forums -

As you are relatively new and I have not been an active participant of this particular forum as of late -

I must admit I have some catching up to do -

Particularly, Your input / response(s) to numerous topics on the forum -

And, NO, regretably, I am not located in Sin City, -

I currently reside in North NJ -

2 Hours North of AC and 1 hour east of the PA casinos - Sands and Mt. Airy -

When I do relocate - it will be to your neck of the woods -

And I will give you and a few others a definite shout !

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Posted: 22 April 2013 04:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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crapsbjrou - 09 December 2010 11:46 PM

I use usually use a hi-lo count, however I keep track of how many 2-6’s 10-ace’s and 7-9’s come out of the deck.  Meaning I know how many cards have been played at all times.  I decided to keep records what happens in a positive count with a shortage of 7-9’s and an abundance of 7-9’s.  My results are that I won a lot more hands with a high count when there was a shortage of 7-9’s left in the deck getting alot more 20’s and blackjacks and lost a lot more hands when there was an abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck getting more 17-19’s than 20’s and blackjacks.  I figured that when there was a abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck in a negative count I won a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and lost a lot more starting hands of 15-17.  When there was a shortage of 7-9s left in the deck in a negative count I lost a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and won more starting hands of 15-17.  In neutral counts I seem to play 50/50. 


In conclusion it seems that 7-9’s hold the most value when I know the ratio between 2-6’s, 7-9’s, and 10-aces.  Any comments on this would be well appreciated.  I would love to hear what everyone else thinks of this.

hi-lo is a beginner count.  7s are not neutral they favor the dealer.  They should be counted as positive.  it seems like ur doing a lot of extra work and not really getting anything out of it, just making some observations that lead u to some rational questioning.  I’d suggest doing what i did…halve the value of the 2, and add add that to the 7—making 2s and 7s equally bad, instead of 2s bad and 7s neutral.  This increases BC, PE, and IC. 
8s are truly neutral.
9s are slightly favorable.  A 19 is a good hand, its gonna beat the dealers A or 10 more times than not.  In my opinion its not worth counting.  It’ll add to your PE, but decrease your IC.  wont help your BC any unless u make ur count really complicated.

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Posted: 07 May 2013 02:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Fah-Q Bish - 22 April 2013 04:11 PM
crapsbjrou - 09 December 2010 11:46 PM

I use usually use a hi-lo count, however I keep track of how many 2-6’s 10-ace’s and 7-9’s come out of the deck.  Meaning I know how many cards have been played at all times.  I decided to keep records what happens in a positive count with a shortage of 7-9’s and an abundance of 7-9’s.  My results are that I won a lot more hands with a high count when there was a shortage of 7-9’s left in the deck getting alot more 20’s and blackjacks and lost a lot more hands when there was an abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck getting more 17-19’s than 20’s and blackjacks.  I figured that when there was a abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck in a negative count I won a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and lost a lot more starting hands of 15-17.  When there was a shortage of 7-9s left in the deck in a negative count I lost a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and won more starting hands of 15-17.  In neutral counts I seem to play 50/50. 


In conclusion it seems that 7-9’s hold the most value when I know the ratio between 2-6’s, 7-9’s, and 10-aces.  Any comments on this would be well appreciated.  I would love to hear what everyone else thinks of this.

hi-lo is a beginner count.  7s are not neutral they favor the dealer.  They should be counted as positive.  it seems like ur doing a lot of extra work and not really getting anything out of it, just making some observations that lead u to some rational questioning.  I’d suggest doing what i did…halve the value of the 2, and add add that to the 7—making 2s and 7s equally bad, instead of 2s bad and 7s neutral.  This increases BC, PE, and IC. 
8s are truly neutral.
9s are slightly favorable.
A 19 is a good hand, its gonna beat the dealers A or 10 more times than not.  In my opinion its not worth counting.  It’ll add to your PE, but decrease your IC.  wont help your BC any unless u make ur count really complicated.

The ideal count to use in your situation - would be the ’ Revere Advanced Point Count ’ -

This count assess the 2 and 7 as a +1, the 3,4,5,and 6 as a +2 , the 8 and 9 as zero - and 10’s and A’s as a -2 !

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Posted: 07 May 2013 09:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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$nakeEye$ - 07 May 2013 02:33 PM
Fah-Q Bish - 22 April 2013 04:11 PM
crapsbjrou - 09 December 2010 11:46 PM

I use usually use a hi-lo count, however I keep track of how many 2-6’s 10-ace’s and 7-9’s come out of the deck.  Meaning I know how many cards have been played at all times.  I decided to keep records what happens in a positive count with a shortage of 7-9’s and an abundance of 7-9’s.  My results are that I won a lot more hands with a high count when there was a shortage of 7-9’s left in the deck getting alot more 20’s and blackjacks and lost a lot more hands when there was an abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck getting more 17-19’s than 20’s and blackjacks.  I figured that when there was a abundance of 7-9’s left in the deck in a negative count I won a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and lost a lot more starting hands of 15-17.  When there was a shortage of 7-9s left in the deck in a negative count I lost a lot more starting hands of 12-14 and won more starting hands of 15-17.  In neutral counts I seem to play 50/50. 


In conclusion it seems that 7-9’s hold the most value when I know the ratio between 2-6’s, 7-9’s, and 10-aces.  Any comments on this would be well appreciated.  I would love to hear what everyone else thinks of this.

hi-lo is a beginner count.  7s are not neutral they favor the dealer.  They should be counted as positive.  it seems like ur doing a lot of extra work and not really getting anything out of it, just making some observations that lead u to some rational questioning.  I’d suggest doing what i did…halve the value of the 2, and add add that to the 7—making 2s and 7s equally bad, instead of 2s bad and 7s neutral.  This increases BC, PE, and IC. 
8s are truly neutral.
9s are slightly favorable.
A 19 is a good hand, its gonna beat the dealers A or 10 more times than not.  In my opinion its not worth counting.  It’ll add to your PE, but decrease your IC.  wont help your BC any unless u make ur count really complicated.

The ideal count to use in your situation - would be the ’ Revere Advanced Point Count ’ -

This count assess the 2 and 7 as a +1, the 3,4,5,and 6 as a +2 , the 8 and 9 as zero - and 10’s and A’s as a -2 !

My count is more complicated than that.  IC of .88 and PE of .65.  The BC is the same as Revere, but I halve the tags.  I agree the author should use that count—tho its not the advanced point count, that’s something else entirely, it’s just the revere point count.  However, i realized it was posted 3 years ago.  No one uses this site.  im not gonna come here anymore.
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Posted: 21 June 2013 01:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Posted: 29 July 2013 05:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I played a count system I derived from a system published in the defunct “Gambling” magazine sometime before 1980.  It was a two index system:  2-5 is +1 on the first index; 6-9 is +1 on the second index; ten is -1 off both indices.  I took a lot of practice to learn this system because one index could numerically increase while the other numerically decreased.  I won a lot in Atlantic City before they barred me.  I was there for the “counter convention” in December 1979.  They were not allowed to bar counters for about 10 days so the NJ Casino Control Board could judge whether counters adversely affected their bottom line.  They claimed it did, so they were allowed to resume barring counters.  Ken Uston played openly then.  I don’t know how much he won.  I did see a counter cash in a rack of $500 chips ($50,000).

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